Отправлено: 19.05.08 17:27. Заголовок: Джон Хиггинс МВЕ (Тема №25, расследование продолжается...)

21 рейтинговый титул... Неужели на этом всё закончится?..

 Отправлено: 18.05.10 12:00. Заголовок: rusel пишет: С Днем..

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С Днем Рожденья, Джон! Пусть все будет хорошо!

желаю того же!

 Отправлено: 18.05.10 12:56. Заголовок: rusel пишет: С Днем..

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С Днем Рожденья, Джон! Пусть все будет хорошо!

 Отправлено: 18.05.10 13:28. Заголовок: New concerns over ed..

New concerns over editing of Higgins sting video as fake website cover-up continues
By Nick Harris

18 May 2010
As snooker’s governing body, the WPBSA, continues its inquiry into claims by the News of the World that John Higgins agreed to fix frames, a new analysis of the video evidence against Higgins published by the NotW suggests the footage has not only been cut and edited without full context to suit the NotW’s story but that some sub-titles are factually wrong and that some words presented as attributable to Higgins do not appear to have been spoken by him.

Whether there is a plausible explanation for this remains to be seen. Perhaps haste was to blame: the piece of footage most damning to Higgins involved him and his agent, Pat Mooney, and was filmed during a meeting in Ukraine on Friday 30 April. The edited video “highlights” had to be turned around within a day so they could be on the NotW website by late the following evening.

Whatever the reasons that some “errors” crept in – and on the basis of “innocent until proven guilty”, the assumption must be that the NotW did not introduce them to mislead – they are sure to be of interest to the WPBSA.

Its inquiry is being led by the former Metropolitan Police chief superintendent, David Douglas, and he has apparently been promised full assistance by the NotW, although it is not known whether he has had full access to all the details of the NotW’s sting (including a fake website, now taken down, more of which later), or all audio and video footage amassed during it.

The discrepancies highlighted by the new analysis of the video at the heart of the case against Higgins suggest full context will be required for a full and thorough investigation.

A full transcript of the video as screened is further down this page, but three discrepancies are as follows. (The timings mentioned are as found on this YouTube link of the video).

17-23 seconds: in a context unclear, the “main man” on the NotW sting team (we call him MM), says: “You’re going to tell him frame three I’m going to lose”. This is accurately reflected in the sub-title: “You are going to tell him frame three I am going to lose.”

The NotW sub-title then has Higgins saying: “Oh yeah. Frame three I am going to lose yes, yes”. The sub-title evidently draws the eye. But looking solely at what Higgins actually says and does reveals a difference between presentation and fact.

What Higgins actually appears to say is: “Frame three I’m going to lose, yeah. No. [Shakes head no].

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42-46 seconds: The MM, again in an unclear context, says to Higgins: “So you narrowly miss a ball go to pocket and that’s it.” This sentence, albeit oddly worded, is reflected correctly in the subtitle.

In the video, it is clear from Higgins’ lip movement that he says only a single word here in reply: “Yeah”.

Bizarrely, Higgins’ reply according to the sub-title, slightly out of sync, is: “Yeah, simple as that.”

Yet the words “simple as that” are spoken by a different voice, apparently in an English accent and not obviously attached to anyone in the room.

From all the footage made public, it appears there were four people in the room: Higgins, Mooney (both Scottish), the MM (whose voice is disguised) and somebody later named as Jaroslav, who speaks in heavily accented English. The person saying “Simple as that” is not known, but the NotW clearly suggests in subtitles that Higgins speaks those words.

It is to be expected that Higgins’ legal team will doing their own detailed analysis of all and any materials that have led to his suspension from all snooker. A sound recording expert who has analysed the video for sportingintelligence says: “This is neither Higgins nor Mooney saying ‘simple as that’ as their lips do not move. It is also highly unlikely to be anyone in the room, as the voice is a clear English accent which has not been treated with the same pitch-shifting effect as the interviewer.”

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1min 15sec – 1min 17sec: MM’s voice is heard asking a question: “How are we going to do the payment side?” but the question appears not to be in natural sync with the response from Mooney.

The sub-title for Mooney’s answer states: “I suggest put, you know you name the company you want . . . ”

What Mooney actually says on the video is: “ . . . is I suggest you put, you name the company you want . . .”

Analysis of the clip suggests Mooney either began his answer mid-sentence with the word “is”, or else the question and answer were cut together to appear to be something they’re not.

Such issues can quickly and easily be answered for Douglas by him being given the full footage as originally shot.

Douglas almost certainly will not have any access to the “sports insider” who set in train the NotW’s investigation in the first place. As the NotW states clearly on its “Sell a story” page, it has “a duty to protect the identity of confidential sources”.

Protection of sources is fundamental to investigative journalism for numerous good reasons, and sportingintelligence of course endorses protection of sources, especially in pursuit of corruptors in sport; match-fixing is a subject we have already covered often and take seriously.

Douglas may or may not be concerned with the elaborate nature of the sting, but solely its end product.

Higgins and Mooney are sure to argue that context is everything, and that they were entrapped by reporters pretending they wanted to stage events – or “exhibitions” as one NotW reporter was quoted as saying in the paper’s first-day coverage of the story on 2 May.

Part of the sting involved the setting up of a website for a fake company, Alfa Equity, which used details from real and respectable companies to appear authentic.

Some of these companies were and remain unhappy about this. The fake website has been taken down but sportingintelligence saved scans and other related data before it disappeared, a small amount of which we published here.

Most of the cache of the website has subsequently been removed, although other evidence has been left behind.

The News of the World ran two weeks of the Higgins story, on 2 and 9 May, but did not follow this up with any further revelations last weekend. The paper did, however, carry a small editorial on the subject, despite carrying no new copy, saying:

“THE News of the World’s investigation into snooker star John Higgins, leading agent Pat Mooney and match fixing goes to the heart of the game’s integrity and credibility.

This week we handed a detailed dossier of damning evidence to Barry Hearn, chairman of the sport’s governing body.

We know many of our readers are huge fans, and Mr Hearn will be keener than anyone to root out corruption and do for snooker what he has done for darts.

Anything less and the game as a national TV spectacle is finished.”

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TRANSCRIPT of the key “sting” meeting (the only taped footage of Higgins released so far)

Sequence begins, title: ‘Snooker champ John Higgins bribe scandal’

Cuts to room, John Higgins (JH) on left of screen, Mooney (PM) on right, main man (MM) reporter, off camera bottom right, at least one other person present, ‘Jaroslav’, (R2) bottom left.

MM: Again, this conversation is only between us.

JH: There’s no cameras is there? (Laughing)

MM: Yes. There is one there, look into it.

CUTS TO NEXT CLIP WITHOUT CONTEXT

PM: You make one mistake, it would be, you know, it’s er …

JH: You don’t even have to make a mistake.

PM: No, it’s [bleeped and inaudible]

MM: No, no, you have to be sure. If you’re going to say, and you’re going to tell him frame three I’m going to lose.

JH: Frame three I’m going to lose, yeah. No. [Nodding no].

[NotW sub-title says: Oh yeah. Frame three I am going to lose yes, yes]

MM: But, how, I mean, what if he gets a good break? I mean, what’s a risk factor, I mean.

JH: No risk, no you couldn’t, you could miss.

CUTS TO NEXT CLIP WITHOUT CONTEXT

JH: If you start leaving, leaving, leaving, leaving, leaving chances, people are saying ‘wait a minute, what’s happening here?’ But against other players it’s no problem.

MM: So you narrowly miss a ball go to pocket and that’s it.

JH: Yeah.

[Subtitles have Higgins saying “Yeah, simple as that”. But Higgins says only “Yeah”, while a separate voice, apparently with an English accent, and not the “main” reporter says “Simple as that”.]

PM: You roll two inches out of position. He knows that if a bounce off the top cushion or something like that and then suddenly you’re on a very difficult black which is, in any normal run of the day, you know that’s . . .

MM: [interjecting] I don’t know the sport that well but what I’m saying is you can miss one. I mean. You can’t keep missing them.

JH: You can. Yeah, you can.

MM: Well that’s your, that’s your, that’s your side of it. You’ve got to deal with that. So as long as we can agree on that.

CUTS TO NEXT CLIP WITHOUT CONTEXT (without any ‘agreement’ of anything shown on film)

PM: Another thing is, is it would be World Series only.

CUTS TO NEXT CLIP WITHOUT CONTEXT

MM: How are we going to do the payment side?

PM: [appearing to start his answer mid-sentence] … is I suggest you put, you name the company you want and you stick the logo on, and if you get a . .

MM: [interjecting] you see the problem with that is, what figure did we agree?

PM: Was it net 200, 300. Gross? Or what was it . . .? [Subtitles incorrectly states ‘It was 200, 300’].
MM: Was it two or was it three?

PM: What was it? I mean . . . [bleep, NotW says the word was f***ing]. I’ll go for three. [Higgins and Mooney are laughing at this point, apparently amused figures are being picked from the air. This is the moment used later in stills to show them relaxed and laughing]. It was three.

The subtitle then says ‘Inaudible’, suggesting Mooney or Higgins had said something. Neither did. Neither’s lips moved. If there was something inaudible it was by someone else.

Reporter 2 (speaking from left of screen): The money doesn’t exist, officially.

PM: Right, okay.

MM: We don’t want it going through our books you see. We can’t have it, if we sponsor you then it’s er …

JH: Right, so you can’t do that then? You can’t … [sponsor the event? Give bribes? Context unclear]
MM: We can, but it’s more problem for us. It’s not a problem for you. It’s got to go through our books.

R2: Through the books and pay tax.

MM: [garbled six syllables or so, then] it’s hassle for us. Easier if it’s cash.

CUTS TO NEXT CLIP WITHOUT CONTEXT

JH: But then I’m thinking to myself how do I swallow 200, 300,000 pounds, or euros coming into [inaudible].

MM: Let’s agree the figure Jaroslav. Let’s agree the figure. We’ve agreed four, four frames during year one. Right? We are agreeing the figure now. What is the figure we are agreeing?

[NB: there is no agreement from Higgins or Mooney at this stage. Not a word or a nod. Because of no context, it is not even known what agreement is being sought for: exhibitions, public appearances, frames ceded to local players in exhibitions.]

‘Jaroslav’: 300.

MM: 300,000 euros is agreed. Agreed?

[Mooney appears to say ‘Agreed’, but it is not conclusive. The subtitle says ‘Agreed’. Higgins says nothing. The MM voice is wholly off screen, so we take on trust he is asking the questions as they appear and the answers to those questions are not dubbed].

MM: Are we happy with that?

[No response]

MM: Now the mechanics of paying it. How do we pay?

CUTS TO NEXT CLIP WITHOUT CONTEXT

JH: I’ve got a property in Spain, but I’m thinking to myself, what would we do, can, is there any way, if you’ve got a small mortgage or something on the property, and you can pay it off, would they be . . . ? [Another garbled voice talks for half a second] Would they look me out with it? If you paid it off, in a lump sum.

CUTS TO NEXT CLIP WITHOUT CONTEXT

MM: So, four frames, one per, yep?

JH: Yeah (nods).

R2: Which one?

MM: He’ll tell us whenever. We are not going to discuss this ever again. You’ll just tip me off. Yep?

PM: (Nods.) Yep.

MM: OK? We agreed? OK?

JH: Yep (shakes hand with R2, and MM).

 Отправлено: 18.05.10 18:00. Заголовок: С днём рождения, мил..

С днём рождения, милый Джон!.. Что бы там ни было, пусть сегодня будет хорошее настроение!.. Удачи, поддержки, надежды на лучшее, несмотря ни на что!..

 Отправлено: 18.05.10 19:47. Заголовок: Bre пишет: Удачи, по..

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Удачи, поддержки, надежды на лучшее, несмотря ни на что!..

с днём рождения, волшебник

 Отправлено: 18.05.10 20:13. Заголовок: С Днем Рожденья Джон..

С Днем Рожденья Джон!
Чтобы все было хорошо!

 Отправлено: 19.05.10 10:22. Заголовок: С днем рождения, Джо..

С днем рождения, Джон!!!!!
Пусть невзгоды поскорей минуют!!!

 Отправлено: 19.05.10 20:20. Заголовок: Да, в этот День Рожд..

Да, в этот День Рождения Джону желается только одного: чтобы поскорее всё разрешилось, он остался в игре и с наименьшими нервными потерями!

 Отправлено: 20.05.10 12:38. Заголовок: С ДНЁМ РОЖДЕНИЯ, ДЖО..

С ДНЁМ РОЖДЕНИЯ, ДЖОН!

 Отправлено: 22.05.10 14:31. Заголовок: С опозданием (по объ..

С опозданием (по объективным причинам ), но - Джон, с днем рождения!
Пусть все будет хорошо.

 Отправлено: 25.05.10 18:29. Заголовок: Что-то никто не упом..

Что-то никто не упомянул - наш/ваш любимый комментатор написал блог по случаю дня рождения. Даже можно скаазать - хорошо написал, этого у него не отнять. Я даже согласна с предложенным наказанием - штрафануть (чтоб впредь был умнее и не доверялся всякой ... всяким "менеджерам", кстати пусть у жены совета спрашивает, она у него, кажется, умнее) и никаких дисквалификаций.

 Отправлено: 25.05.10 18:32. Заголовок: june-july пишет: Чт..

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Что-то никто не упомянул

Упомянули. В обсуждении новостей.

 Отправлено: 26.05.10 12:52. Заголовок: june-july пишет: Я ..

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Я даже согласна с предложенным наказанием - штрафануть (чтоб впредь был умнее и не доверялся всякой ... всяким "менеджерам", кстати пусть у жены совета спрашивает, она у него, кажется, умнее) и никаких дисквалификаций.

Я обеими руками "за". Именно, чтобы рот не разевал.

 Отправлено: 27.05.10 16:42. Заголовок: june-july пишет: шт..

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штрафануть (чтоб впредь был умнее и не доверялся всякой ... всяким "менеджерам", кстати пусть у жены совета спрашивает, она у него, кажется, умнее) и никаких дисквалификаций

Думаю, такое устроит всех. Надеюсь, именно так и произойдет.

 Отправлено: 28.05.10 17:44. Заголовок: Со снукероманки На ..

Со снукероманки

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На настоящий момент самый актуальный эпизод с Джоном Хиггинсом. Ferret (админ на tsf) вчера сказал, что результатов расследования стоит ждать как минимум еще 7 недель. Ходят ничем не подтвержденные слухи, что желтая газета не собирается отдавать все записи, объясняя это тем, что в таком случае может быть "нанесен вред их конфиденциальным источникам". Подобное является большим подспорьем для Джона и его адвокатов, поскольку адвокаты имеют возможность настаивать на исключении отредактированного видео из списка доказательств. Однако фанаты Джона опасаются, что даже в таком случае ему может быть вынесен штраф и предупреждение "за нанесение вреда репутации снукера". Хотя, в любом случае, все подобные разговоры - переливание из пустого в порожнее, поскольку достоверно ничего не ясно. Подробнее http://snookeromanka.blogspot.com/#ixzz0pEtm7Ir8

Газета не даст полные записи. Потому что чревато судом за клевету. А пущай не дает. Нам же лучше, т.к. все ясно.
Жалко, что Джон не играет. Это расследование кто его знает сколько продлится.

 Отправлено: 28.05.10 18:37. Заголовок: rusel пишет: Жалко,..

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Жалко, что Джон не играет.

Да где сейчас играть? В Китае, Таиланде? Велика важность. А за лето должны разгрести.

 Отправлено: 28.05.10 18:55. Заголовок: june-july пишет: В ..

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В Китае, Таиланде?

А вот этот новый тур, ПТЧ...

 Отправлено: 29.05.10 15:02. Заголовок: rusel пишет: Это ра..

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Это расследование кто его знает сколько продлится.

Думаю, что если не дадут записи, то и продлится недолго.
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А вот этот новый тур, ПТЧ

Может, вынесут постановление разрешить играть Джону? А может, успеют и оправдать.

 Отправлено: 29.05.10 15:17. Заголовок: shual007 пишет: ес..

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если не дадут записи, то и продлится недолго.

Неет...Оне должны все расследовать как надо. Шум же большой. Да и поливают Джона в инете, как продажного всю жись, с отрочества... Барри поклялся сделать снукер белее белого. Чтобы убедить народ в невиновности Джона, и заткнуть рты, нужны доказательства.

 Отправлено: 29.05.10 16:08. Заголовок: rusel пишет: Чтобы ..

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Чтобы убедить народ в невиновности Джона, и заткнуть рты, нужны доказательства.

Дак если газета не хочет давать записи, это ведь в пользу Джона, наверное, можно истолковать?

 Отправлено: 29.05.10 17:16. Заголовок: shual007 пишет: Дак..

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Дак если газета не хочет давать записи, это ведь в пользу Джона, наверное, можно истолковать?

Понимаешь, очень много есть людей, которые в этом случае скажут, что покрыли, затерли и отбелили....Даже если сам Махмуд скажет, что видео - поддельное, эти люди будут говорить, что на Махмуда надавили. Им нравится сама мысль - что Джон виновен. И от нее они не откажутся ни за какие коврижки.

 Отправлено: 29.05.10 17:19. Заголовок: Не в тему, если уже ..

Не в тему. 147-очковый брейк Джона Хиггинса. Март 2010
Если уже видели, извиняйте

 Отправлено: 29.05.10 18:01. Заголовок: баск пишет: Не в те..

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Не в тему

Как раз в тему! Спасибо! Я здесь оставляла сообщение об этом, да не было самого брейка, только фотки.

 Отправлено: 29.05.10 18:18. Заголовок: Прекрасный брейк! Та..

Прекрасный брейк! Так все аккуратненько. А последний красный-черный! А коричневый!

 Отправлено: 30.05.10 19:14. Заголовок: Bosses at STV droppe..

Bosses at STV dropped a massive photo of the 34-year-old Scot from the backdrop of their Sports Centre programme.

Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/2978408/John-Higgins-snubbed-by-telly-sports-show.html

 Отправлено: 06.06.10 21:50. Заголовок: rusel пишет: Bosses..

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Bosses at STV dropped a massive photo of the 34-year-old Scot from the backdrop of their Sports Centre programme.

Надо пнуть обязательно этим журналюгам. Ничего ведь не доказано до сих пор...

 Отправлено: 09.06.10 15:34. Заголовок: http://www.klikfc.co..

 Отправлено: 12.06.10 10:34. Заголовок: Говорят, John Parrot..

Говорят, John Parrott and Jimmy White have joined the John Higgins Is Innocent facebook page.

 Отправлено: 19.06.10 13:37. Заголовок: EXCLUSIVE: Forensic ..

EXCLUSIVE: Forensic analysis points to ‘cut and paste’ in Higgins ‘match-fix’ sting video
By Nick Harris

18 June 2010

A second analysis of the News of the World video purporting to show the world No1 snooker player, John Higgins, agreeing to lose frames for cash has concluded that sections of the film have been ‘pasted together’, leading to a misrepresentation of events.

A forensic musicologist, using specialist equipment to examine for sportingintelligence the way the soundtrack of the tape was put together, has found “at least some of the audio has been manipulated and rearranged.”

The accompanying graphic represents one snippet of the film’s audio where a sentence has been “pasted” unnaturally into a sequence in the film. The red circle highlights a “giveaway” gap, estimated to be 100 milliseconds (a tenth of a second), which would not exist if the exchange had been left in its natural state.



There are multiple examples in the video where words attributed to the speakers in the subtitles were wrongly transcribed, or not actually said at all. In at least one part of the video, words appear to have been dubbed onto the video later.

Other anomalies in the film include the end section where the figures involved – Higgins, his business partner Pat Mooney, and two undercover News of the World reporters, one of them Mazher Mahmood – toast each other with vodka. They do so next to a table laid out differently to a table featured only seconds before in scenes supposedly from the same meeting.

As sportingintelligence has previously reported, Higgins and Mooney were subject to an elaborate NotW ‘sting’, believed to have cost around £200,000. A fake website used in the sting was then taken down, and it then emerged for the first time that the NotW video evidence was not what it seemed at face value.

An investigation for snooker’s governing body by the former Metropolitan Police chief superintendent, David Douglas, should ascertain what really happened.

On the face of it, his task should be easy: given access to original, unedited footage, he should be able to judge whether the allegations against Higgins stand up, and then bring charges and prosecute.

Snooker does have a problem with match-fixing. Nobody inside the sport disagrees with that. Police action is ongoing, and more imminent, against a number of players.

Match-fixing is a scourge that needs to be eradicated from all sports.

But some disquiet remains about the methods used by the News of the World in the Higgins case, and questions remain unanswered about the evidence as presented, so far.

After extensive inquiries by sportingintelligence using sources including players, officials, agents, WPBSA board members past and present, current and former promoters, and journalists including those with first-hand knowledge of the News of the World’s work, including contemporary work, this website can reveal:

•the NotW has not handed over unedited raw footage, for reasons including legal reasons surrounding protection of identities.
•the NotW is, however, continuing to assisting Douglas with his inquiry, and is believed to have more information than it has published or screened, withheld so far for reasons unknown.
•a media source says the paper was looking “for some months” at one or more other snooker players, and into allegations of match-fixing (nothing to do with Higgins), but failed to gather sufficient evidence for a story, and then switched attention to Mooney.
•the NotW has nonetheless, separately, been in possession of another story relating to allegations of match-fixing against another player, also for several months, and has yet to run it for reasons unknown.
•the NotW has used sources within the world of snooker for its work on Higgins and Mooney, raising questions whether snooker insiders involved in the sting or in provoking it – if identified – should also face charges relating to enticement into match-fixing.
Higgins and Mooney were covertly taped by the News of the World at a meeting in Kiev, Ukraine, on Friday 30 April, at the end of a lengthy “sting” operation.

The News of the World alleged in its edition on 2 May that Higgins agreed to “a disgraceful deal to fix a string of high-profile matches after demanding a £300,000 kickback.”

The paper hasn’t detailed – yet – which matches Higgins allegedly agreed to fix, nor has it yet printed or screened evidence of him “demanding a £300,000 kickback.”

A week after the first allegations, the paper alleged in a headline that Higgins had bet on himself to lose the 2009 World Championship final and then detailed in a story how he had not actually had the bet in question.

There has been no suggestion by the paper at any time that Higgins or Mooney have committed any criminal offence, nor have the police or Gambling Commission been involved at any stage in this case.

Both men are certain to face “sporting charges” to be tabled by snooker’s world governing body. At the very least, they will face charges of failing to report an approach about match-fixing within 24 hours of receiving that approach.

No player is ever known to have been charged and punished for failing to report an approach, even though a number of players have made public statements saying they’ve had such approaches after the fact. Indeed the NotW carried such a claim on 2 May, by Mark King, in the same pages that it made claims about Higgins. It is understood King neither reported that alleged approach, nor faced action for not reporting it.

The head of the WPBSA, Barry Hearn, promised the enquiry would take “days and weeks” rather than “months and months”, but the immense complexities mean that it is taking longer than first envisaged. No time frame has been put on its completion.

The findings of all of sportingintelligence’s own inquiries have been made available to all interested parties.
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Если Джон будет обвинен в том, что не доложил в течение 24 часов о предложении, тогда надо обвинить и Кинга.